In this wide-ranging interview, Reserve Bank Governor Lesetja Kganyago speaks to Bronwyn Nielsen ahead of the G20 summit about Africa’s climate finance gap, the push to modernise payments, the impact of Trump’s tariffs on SA’s agriculture and auto sectors, and why central banks are struggling to model a future clouded by global uncertainty. Kganyago also unpacks opportunistic disinflation, interest rate scenario planning, and what’s needed to finally get South Africa’s economic “orchestra” playing in tune.